heaven-"man was created to live forever on earth" so it is not natural for 144k to go to heaven.. sabbath-"law covenant given to israel came to an end when jesus' death fulfilled it.so the ten commendments-including the sabbath law-that came to end?
yes".
to me that means all ten including the first one,you shall have no other god's(jehovah) before me.therefore christian have a new law and constitution under jesus christ.big jeh is out of the pix.. gilead.gb member d.s.said to missionaries "get new ones to support the preaching work financially and to obey the slave.must be short of cash.. bob.
May not be "natural" for humans to go to heaven, but it's the promise that Jesus made to his followers. The Bible says he opened the way to heaven...."many abodes."
God doesn't need our money and never has. Don't never buy nothing from a man named truth.
i'm reading "the watchtower's coming crisis", by daniel rodriguez.
rodriguez claims the watchtower will have a severe crisis in the years to come, as "the generation that wouldn't pass away" does pass away.
time is the wts worst enemy, he says.
It's a make it up as you go religion. Kinda like when we used to form clubs, as kids. We made up the rules and changed them as we went. Kicked people in and out as we saw fit. It just ain't real.
Problem is that they don't grow up. NN mentions when some "cure themselves", there are others willing to step in and take their places. Have you ever been scammed? Really bad? I have, more than once.
One side point. Is anyone watching Led Zeppelin on Classic Vh1? I am tired of listening to them on radio, etc., but I forgot how great they were in concert in the 70's.
Sorry I am off topic.
i got this email:.
knocking update january 2010. www.knocking.org.
knocking subject needs second bloodless liver transplant.
I agree with OTWO. They love to claim Jehovah's blessing, but don't say much when it just doesn't happen. I'm sure they are ao so faithful for not taking blood. I wonder if they really think there is no blood in that liver?
The blood issue gets to me more than any other nonsense they teach. I can't stand the lies they teach to people that costs them their lives. I left after reading the article on blood fractions and even told them why. They said it was a small thing, I said it was by no means a small thing to lose your life.
It really makes me angry.
i got this email:.
knocking update january 2010. www.knocking.org.
knocking subject needs second bloodless liver transplant.
I find it SO crazy that they will accept a liver, but not blood. His poor father gave half his liver, yet he would not give him his blood for transfusion.
Transplants can be done without blood transfusions, but it adds a lot of risk to the procedure. As Deb says, all you need is a willing doctor.
i posted a thread yesterday about my husband wanting to buy a scratch off ticket.
he was going to ask the elders if it was okay but decided to not wait and bought one tonight.
the first ticket he bought he won his dollar back.
Cool! I'm sure the elders would say that Satan made him win to lead him astray. Great he shared the winnings with you too.
MLE, I have often thought that if God can read hearts and needs to clear away the wicked, he could at least do it in a humane way. But, no, there has to be a mean, vengeful destruction. The witnesses actually use the old testament examples, as you mentioned, to solidify this understanding.
Of course, I no longer believe or wish that God will destroy anyone.
I never thought of the materialistic view of the witnesses coming from the fact that they have to give up so much now. It always seemed like most witnesses talk the talk, but do not walk the walk when it comes to not being materialistic. There are those that give up material things to do more, but they are far and few between. In most congos I attended, the elders were often the wealthiest ones. You're right, that is most likely part of the desire.
The witnesses are taught that heaven is unreachable for most of mankind, so they, by default, put all their hopes into living on earth and acquiring large houses and traveling the world. We have a limited time to do these things in our lifespan, so this is very appealing to have endless opportunities in the "new system".
The problem is that the Bible does not teach this. Jesus said to depend on spiritual riches, not material ones. The jws have replaced a spiritual message from the Bible into a material one.
a few months ago there was a thread about a couple of elders at the mill hill bethel being disfellowshipped because they disagreed with some wt doctrine (i can't recall exactly what it was) and that several other betheliteswere under 'investigation'.
i haven't heard anything since, does anyone know anything more about this?.
borghater xx.
I always hated the way they structured the announcements of those dfd. I have seen them announce men and women together when there was no connection. It made for some lively gossip however.
Sounds like they used the same tactic on you, by leaving your wife alone and announcing another lady.
that seems to be the impression that most people are getting from the recent change in understanding.
however, the recent watchtower article seems to contain some contradictions.
here is a quote:.
My parents are about 80, their great granddaughter is 13. That spans almost 70 years and includes 4 generations. To get from someone who understood the "sign" to now would span 96 years. Then the person would have to be, say 20, to really understand. That increases the span to 116 years.
How many generations is that? About 6, if I my calculations are correct.
They are going to need more than 2 generations to pull off this tag team idea. I can honestly say this idea is as stupid as the blood fraction one. I don't see how people keep lapping it up and don't run screaming away.
I honestly think that most witnesses don't care what they spew at them, as it doesn't matter to them. They just keep doing what they want and pretending that it all makes sense.
Surely, if God needs to kill 6 billion people, he can make it a clean kill, heh? Maybe he could just turn the people off? Anytime you start thinking about the actual things that are supposed to happen at Armageddon, the mental blocks start tumbling down.
The witness hope is a materialistic one where God does everything for them. No need to think rationally about it all.
That is a good point to bring out to witnesses. Why does God need to destroy 6 billion people and what will it be like?
"treasure your place in the congregation.".
dozy did this exercise previously but i thought paragraph 5 was worth looking at agan.. let's change the perspective to the first person:.
"the spirit that now operates in the sons of disobedience" is so widespread that it is like the air we breathe.
"My brain began to bleed."
That's exactly how I felt when I last attended years ago. I don't know how you do it.